new hotel at hampton court means loss of fishing

the derelict land at hampton court station is to be developed into a hotel, I have heard that the bank from the derelict land downstream to the river mole is to be given over to moorings, if this is true it is totally unacceptable, this is one of the few areas where people from 'inner london', who do not own cars, can travel by train with their tackle and enjoy our sport, particularly those that are less mobile, needless to say if you know more, put it on here, in the meantime we're on the case folks

Thanks for posting Jim

I have just google it and unless there is something more recent it looks like the hotel plan was approved a while back? This is my local area where I have fished for years so amazed I never knew about it but maybe as under Elmbridge council.

Trawling through the councils and other web sites I am seeing words like massive over development etc.

Jim when you have any more info, keep us posted mate.

Found this..

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/5039692.Fears_over_Jolly_Boatman_legal_challenge/#

And an original capaign to get it stopped..

http://www.hamptoncourtrescuecampaign.com/scheme.htm

and more, this man is a hero..

http://www.surreyherald.co.uk/surrey-news/news-surrey/2010/03/08/hampton-court-campaigner-wins-his-day-in-court-109642-25986889/

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/hampton-court/

Sign this petition please;

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/hampton-court/sign


Please post this on as many forums as you can.

Cheers,


Richard

as its in your manner dave, perhaps you should leave the charge, someone has gotta contact the dude against it, he'll know about moorings and area to be developed, and obviously we can offer support

Yes will do Jim, I have read his campaign and the radio interview, a man on a mission and will offer full support of the TAc.

good one fella, as soon as we know details we can launch our response, its a good in for us with the tackle shops in south london like penge angling etc, as well as the south london press
happy days mate

I have exchanged emails with Keith Garner who is persuing legal action against the new development and offered the support of the TAC. He had not looked at the impact of the free fishing along that section and whilst it may not assist him it is another issue relating to the big picture.

Keith needs people to sign the No.10 petition so please add it to any sites that are appropriate.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/hampton-court/sign

More details of Keiths campaign can be found here. http://www.kgarch.co.uk/jblegal

Dave

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am I right in thinking that the man leading the fight through the courts, has recently won his appeal against being lumbered with the costs

I think as I read it he has won the right to apply for a Protective costs order. So he if he gets that he can fight the legal battle with less and capped legal costs.

We are in contact with him by email at regular intervals so will keep udated.

Dave

The PCO that was applied for was won so limiting Kieth Garner to £5000.

The Star and Garter have now pulled out and are seeking alternative sites but looks as if Elmbridge council may still try and get building on the site. Anyway read on.


Surrey Comet newspaper

Hampton Court Rescue Campaign

London Evening Standard

nice one for the update fella

thats terrible , there should be, no building on open river areas . even the french now understand the importance of keeping river /lake areas open for the people /wildlife , having passed laws stopping any building . come on england ...........CATCH UP

Paul Tant wrote:

thats terrible , there should be, no building on open river areas . even the french now understand the importance of keeping river /lake areas open for the people /wildlife , having passed laws stopping any building . come on england ...........CATCH UP

A lot of people seem to have the wrong idea of this development it was due to be the new STAR AND GARTER HOME and fishing would not be affected but due to many outsiders and friends of the palace they have pulled out due to legal expenses and the developers are now looking at other options, the site is the old jolly boatman and railway station and was not due to encroach on public land also the landing stage servicing the tripping boats is protected

nice one stephen, I personally would love those that reside in the star and garter home to have a new residence at hampton court, but its what comes with it that worries me, if a developer can show that there will be benefits to all who use the river, and no loss of leisure facilities then fine, but thats so far behind making a profit its gotta be a concern

An update from this week

Richmond and Twickenham Times
6:50am Wednesday 20th October 2010
* By Jonathan Portlock »


The future of a controversial development planned for the former site of the Jolly Boatman pub near Hampton Court Palace could be decided this month.

A case brought against Elmbridge Council, which granted developers Gladedale permission to build a hotel and flats on the land in December 2008, will begin at the Royal Court of Justice in London on Thursday, October 28.

The action was brought by Battersea-based architect Keith Garner, who believes the council acted unlawfully in granting permission because it failed to take account of the developments impact on the setting of the palace.

TV historian David Starkey described the council's decision as an "international scandal".

The land is in a floodplain and Mr Garner also claims the council flouted Government policy that restricts development on these sites.

Mr Garner brought the case as a private individual with limited financial aid and could only continue with his action after winning a High Court appeal in August, granting him a protective cost order.

This means he will only have to pay up to £5,000 in costs should he lose, rather than an open ended sum – which his lawyers estimated at about £60,000.

The Hampton Court Rescue Campaign (HCRC), which is supporting Mr Garner, has set up an account for people who wish to donate to his legal costs.

A spokesman for the campaign said: "Mr Garner and our campaign wholeheartedly agree that the protection of Hampton Court Palace, as a heritage asset, is a matter of national, if not international importance, whose future should not have been decided by councillors, but by public inquiry.

"The HCRC has worked tirelessly over the years, but now finds it necessary to seek financial donations from the community to provide the best possible support for the ongoing campaign and help with legal costs."

For more details on this, visit hamptoncourtrescuecampaign.com.

HCRC holds its breath

30th October 2010

Keith Garner’s legal challenge against Elmbridge Council’s approval of plans for the Hampton Court Station site finally got underway on Thursday morning; the 28th October 2010 at the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand and closed on Friday afternoon.

The two planks of argument were whether Elmbridge had attached enough weight to the historic and heritage significance of the area that surrounds Hampton Court Palace and, whether accepted Government guidelines had been correctly adhered to that limit development on the Floodplain.

There followed two full days of legal argument, from the claimant Mr Garner’s own QC, Richard Drabble and from the two separate defence teams acting for Elmbridge Council and Network Rail.

At this time HCRC is unable to report on the Judge’s ruling, as Mr Justice Ouseley has chosen to defer his decision for deliberation. Keith’s legal team will be informed as soon as the result is known and published by e-bulletin to the HCRC database and posted here on the website.

Latest from the HRC website..

HCRC poised for Judge's ruling on Hampton Court development
30th November 2010

It has now been a tense month since the conclusion of the Judicial Review hearing in the High Court and still HCRC supporters anxiously await the result. The minute the Ruling is published, HCRC will send out an e-bulletin and this website will carry the news.

Until then, thank you for your concern and continued patience.

Hampton Court Rescue Campaign 31st January 2011



Judge delivers Ruling on the future of Hampton Court Station development.

Concluding his Judicial review at the High Court of Elmbridge’s questionable approval of plans for a development at Hampton Court, the judge, Mr Justice Ouseley has today published his long-awaited judgement.

It is with extreme disappointment that HCRC reports that the Judge has dismissed the legal challenge.

The legal case was bought against Elmbidge Borough Council by Keith Garner, a Battersea architect. He challenged its Planning Authority’s approval of Gladedale’s comprehensive redevelopment of Hampton Court Station and riverside, opposite Hampton Court Palace.

To his immense credit, Mr Garner championed this lengthy legal action at his own personal risk and HCRC supporters are immeasurably grateful for his achievements.

Please see Keith Garner’s Press statement in full:

http://www.kgarch.co.uk/jblegal/press_statement_31-01-11.htm

Despite the conclusion of the legal challenge, HCRC will maintain its pressure on the Council to find a solution for the site which offers greater community benefit and preserves its historic sensitivity.

The campaigning will continue.



Mary Brook

HCRC Communications

www.hamptoncourtrescuecampaign.com

wot a major downer, this so called justice numb nut, has rode rough shot over what residents want

its bang out of order folks

That'll be another place lost for good then.

First it was the concrete jetty in front of there and next to the bridge that went 'No Fishing', now it'll be the part of Cigarette Island nearest the bridge.

Even if you could still fish there you wouldn't want to as you'll be in front of a block of flats, instead of nicely tucked away.

As much as it should affect the fishing you are correct Steve. The underground car park had a major question mark about being below river levels and how much that will have an affect. Seems money talks.

Bottom line for thier campaign is that you will no longer see HC when you come out of the station and the views from the palace it self, well anybodys guess.

Shame

GOT THIS FROM MY LOCAL PAPER

Elmbridge Council leader defends Boatman decision
Feb 24 2011 By Vicki Eltis, Surrey Herald
THE leader of Elmbridge Council is standing by his decision to approve plans for the development of The Jolly Boatman site in East Molesey.
An open letter was sent to Councillor John O'Reilly by the Hampton Court Rescue Campaign (HCRC), over 'a controversial response' he made on a radio show.
A challenge to the council's decision was dismissed by Mr Justice Ouseley at the High Court in late January.
When asked to comment on the decision to throw out architect Keith Garner's legal attempt to thwart the scheme, Mr O'Reilly said: "The architectural aspects of the scheme were, in my mind, just about okay."
The HCRC's letter states: "The public might reasonably expect that proposals to reshape the future of this unique location had undergone the most rigorous scrutiny.
"HCRC agree with Mr Garner that 'just about okay' is resoundingly inadequate and thoroughly unacceptable."
Developer Gladedale has planning permission for a 46-bedroom hotel, 66 apartments and a care home, although the future of the site was uncertain at one point after Royal Star and Garter Homes (RSGH) pulled out of the development.
Mr O'Reilly said it was the legal challenge that made RSGH pull out.
He said: "They knew this was going to delay proceedings. So ultimately, RSGH could not wait. They had to pull out.
"It is a scandal that now taxpayers in Elmbridge have to pay £45,000 for the legal proceedings so the council could defend its own decisions, which the judge found in favour of.
"At a time when the council has to fight to protect its services it makes my blood boil."
Mr O'Reilly also reflected on the aesthetics of the development.
"Did I think it was a wonderful scheme that blew my mind? No, I did not.
"But having been to the palace and viewed the site on its own merits, the plans were above the planning threshold.
"What made me support it enthusiastically was the involvement
of the Royal Star and Garter Homes."
The letter from HCRC also said: "The withdrawal of RSGH from the scheme has removed any prospective local employment opportunities.
"Elmbridge Housing Trust has made a remarkable concession to accept only 10 per cent of affordable
housing and not the usual 40 per cent.
"It is hard to define exactly what benefit Molesey will derive form this massive project apart from the renovation of the historic railway station which, quite frankly, Network Rail should have independently undertaken long ago."

mention social housing and RSGH, get planning permission, then change it

sounds just like richmond ice rink, promised in the planning, and never delivered

thanks for the update buddy