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PostSubject: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyThu Jan 13, 2011 12:33 am

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Thames Anglers’ Conservancy
P.O. Box 863
Richmond
Surrey
TW9 9BR

Richard Anthony Crimp (Secretary)
E-Mail: admin@rivertac.org


13th January 2011



Thames Water Utilities Limited
Clearwater Court
Vastern Road
Reading
Berkshire
RG1 8DB


Dear Sirs

As the Angling Trust Consultative for the River Thames between Staines and the Dartford Crossing (including all of the London boroughs), the Thames Anglers’ Conservancy (TAC) welcome the consultation document concerning the Tideway Tunnel.

As a concerned stakeholder in all initiatives regarding the River Thames we would like to present our view point on behalf of the TAC and its membership in its entirety. This should be viewed as a separate document to our affiliate organisations, such as Angling Trust etc.


1. There is a need to significantly reduce the amount of untreated sewage entering the River Thames in London. Please give us your views about this.

The Thames Anglers’ Conservancy (TAC) would whole heartedly agree that there should be a significant reduction in the amount of untreated sewage entering the River Thames in London. The temporary consents that were given by the then Conservative Govt. - prior to privatisation in 1989 - have turned into anything but ‘temporary consents’ and the continued legality of such discharges has been/and is a blight to the City of London, subsequent Govts. but ultimately Thames Water Utilities Limited, let alone the aquaculture of the river itself. This can no longer continue, and the proposed Thames Tunnel project is an absolute necessity, if 20 years overdue in its consultation stages.

As a company it should be incumbent upon Thames Water to comply with the Urban Wastewater Treatment Directive and its obligation the Water Framework Directive.


2. Taking into account all the possible solutions, please tell us whether you agree that a tunnel is the right way to meet the need, and why.

Simply put, the TAC fully concur with the conclusions of the Independent Thames Tideway Strategic Study undertaken in 2001 (completed in 2005), that the most practical and financially viable solution for London would be to intercept the Combined Sewage Overflows (CSOs) with a new tunnel system as currently proposed.

The alternative solutions would not meet the logistical, environmental and financial criteria within a City such as London and are therefore easily ruled out (as highlighted through Thames Water literature).

The Sustainable Urban Drainage System (SUDS): Logistically impossible and financially prohibitive.

Separation of the sewerage system: Once again, financially onerous and infeasible construction wise.

Bubblers and Skimmers: Would achieve little environmentally and couldn’t ever be considered as a solution.


3. If you prefer another way of meeting the need, please tell us which one, and why.

Not Applicable


4. Please select which route you prefer for the tunnel. (Note that any final decision on the tunnel route will involve engineering, planning, cost, public amenity and environmental considerations.)

Abbey Mills (our preferred route)
River Thames
Rotherhithe
None of the above


5. Please explain why have you chosen your answer to question 4.

The TAC would fully endorse the River Thames route, as it is this route will capture the greatest amount of raw untreated sewage from the CSOs. The cost of the River Thames route, whilst being more expensive than the other two proposed options, is the only route that should be seriously considered.

The River Thames route offers the greatest environmental protection for the rivers future, this regarding the three proposed routes, and is considerably better equipped to fulfil the absolute minimum requirements to enhance the aquatic ecology throughout the tideway during the first half of the 21st Century, as well as going someway to preventing possible health issues to the general populace in the immediate future (climate change considered).


6. Please give us any other comments you have about the project (see part 2 to comment on specific sites).

Prior to 2007 the project cost was estimated to be approximately £1.5bn, and in a little over 3 years, we have seen the projected cost rise to over £3.5bn. It has been publicly stated that the cost to Thames Water’s 8mn plus customers will be an additional £65 per annum to pay for the sewer upgrades and a quick calculation would suggest that it will be Thames Water customers that will pay for every last rivet and bolt that makes up the tunnel’s construction? It appears that the current financing regime will burden Thames Water’s customers, as opposed to balancing the cost between the company and its customers, so detailed assurances will be pre-requisite to meet public demand.

Thames Water Utilities Limited have earned considerable profits in recent years and this would be in part due to being able to build the business with the continual status quo concerning over 20 years of ‘temporary consents’ that were issued to attract private ownership - as opposed to the utility continuing to be state owned – and it should be incumbent upon Thames Water Utilities Limited to ensure the following;

1. That all due care and consideration is given to the aquatic environment during the design and build stages. This would include a greater willingness to implement the River Thames route.
2. That Thames Water’s most vulnerable customers are protected from inflated charges and to ensure that ‘water poverty’ does not become a reality.
3. That all affected London boroughs are given full support during design and build.
4. That Thames Water seriously consider the current financing regime and fully adopt a fair and balanced costing that doesn’t see its customer’s bear the lion’s share of the expense.
5. That Thames Water guarantees that, once the project is completed, that their customer’s annual water bill will then be reduced accordingly.

The Thames Anglers’ Conservancy fully supports the need for the Thames Tideway Tunnel project to be implemented, however, the need for Thames Water to maintain the regions utility with all aspects of the environment at the very top of the list, must supersede its business concern for maximum profitability, often at the expense of its customers and the environment.







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PostSubject: Re: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyThu Jan 13, 2011 12:36 am

If you have any suggested alterations I am able to alter this before the consultation closes on Friday the 14th. Please be clear as to any suggested changes and write them in the thread below.

Thanks,


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PostSubject: Re: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyThu Jan 13, 2011 10:59 am

This was the original reason TAC was set up lads - to stop the sewage going into the Thames, so let's all have a think and let Rich know your thoughts.

Personally Rich, I've had a think and nothing to add - nicely done and written Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyThu Jan 13, 2011 7:02 pm

Dave, I've changed the E-Mail address to admin@rivertac.org, is that correct mate?


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Aye sir

Looks good Richard, good work fella as always Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyFri Jan 28, 2011 11:36 pm

Reply from TW.

Thanks again Richard for all the massive efforts on these documents

24 January 2011

Our Ref: 717154

Thames Tunnel ref - 100-C0- CP1-OWNER-000564

Dear Mr Crimp

Thank you for your email of 14 January 2011.
We have not yet taken any final decisions on the tunnel's exact route or the sites required for its
construction and operation.

All feedback received during the current consultation will be analysed by the project team and given appropriate consideration to help inform the design of our proposed
scheme for the Thames Tunnel that will be the subject of our Phase 2 Consultation due to start in
September.
Where possible comments made by respondents will be taken into proposed scheme, in advance of making submission for planning approval in 2012.

A summary of the feedback received, including our response, will be made available in our report
'Report on Consultation', which will be placed on our website (www.thameswater.co.uk) in the spring 2011.

Hard copies will also be available upon request.

Yours sincerely
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PostSubject: Re: The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response   The TAC's Thames Tideway Tunnel Consultation Response EmptyThu Feb 03, 2011 1:27 pm

We saw that TW did a fish survey ahead of the planning process so approached them for anymore info.

Aquatic Ecology Survey



Thank you for your enquiry.

The Aquatic Ecology surveys that took place in the autumn of 2010 were the first of a number of fish
and invertebrate surveys being undertaken toinform the project of the current fish and invertebrate
populations in the Thames Tideway.

The population figures collected will inform the aquatic ecology baseline conditions to be used in the
Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) being undertaken for the project.

The EIA is at an early stage and data on the existing environmental conditions is still being gathered.

Once the preferred scheme is determined it will be assessed against the current baseline to determine
the potential environmental effects, both positive and negative associated with the scheme's
development, alongside the identification of potential mitigation measures.

The EIA will be written up in an Environmental Statement which will be support the planning
application submission.

The findings of the aquatic ecology surveys will be made available within the
Environmental Statement once this is published.


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Here's our original response to the consultation concerning the Tideway Tunnel, Super Sewer etc.


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Cheers Richard, part two is in September so more work for you sir.
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Phase two closes on the 10th Feb

Please have your say, as little or as much a you want. If you are local to one of the sites, let them know what you think.

Richard Phase 1 reply is above, that was the TAC view at the time

http://www.thamestunnelconsultation.co.uk/forms/feedback_form/consultation
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