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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:42 pm

Tidal commision to speak

http://www.nce.co.uk/major-projects/london-tideway-improvements/independent-commission-to-conclude-on-thames-tunnel-in-coming-weeks/8621549.article

This report may call for a full redesign of the Tunnel, possibly putting another 10 years on the project, costing possibly 20 million pounds.

This summer we understand that Dace and Smelt have been more or less wiped out in certain areas. This is from an independent consultant, it confirms what we all have thought after the 16th June fish kill and subsequent tidal surveys.

15 or 20 more years and there will br nothing left.
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PostSubject: thames tunnel(tideway tunnel)   Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:10 pm

Depressing, nothing more to say Sad
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:44 pm

Weird Ed, was ok earlier, will see if it is elsewhere.

Next week the whole issue is going to hit the proverbial fan.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:08 am

James Annear wrote:
I like the last bit:
unrivalled residents facilities, spa, sauna, swimming pool, steam room, residents lounge, concierge, parking, billiards room and a jolly old private wine store.
with stunning views of a turd filled cesspit devoid of fish! No

money talks and bullshit walks, or floats down the river in the case of the thames.
i'm sure if the wider public were aware of what actually gets pumped into the river they would be disgusted. it's up to us to get out there and educate people.

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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:19 pm

The next week is critical to the river and getting the preferred solution built. Expect lots of fireworks and huge opposition.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:17 pm

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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:31 pm

BBC London tonight, 6.30pm,so err , now

TW and the Tunnel
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PostSubject: thames tunnel   Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:53 pm

i caught some of the interview with the thames spokesman who said funding has not been agreed and they are working with the enviroment agency and defra. is it going to be built? he admitted more raw sewage had to be dumped in the thames again.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Just got into work and going to see if its on iplayer Thanks Andy

In case we need a reminder of why the TAC supports the Tunnel....

6th June , the unacceptable face of modern London

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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:46 pm

i find it all a bit sad really, 21st century london and we are still pumping raw sewage into the thames.
we're going backwards not forwards.
if the non fishing public were aware (as i don't think most people are) they would be disgusted.
if we as anglers can spread the word and get some publicity on the subject i'm sure we would gather a great deal of support.
we should get out there and educate people, maybe go out along the thames at some busy tourist locations (london eye, london aquarium, houses of parliament) with posters leaflets etc, or some sort of well timed protest, anything to get our point across.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:51 pm

Things are going to start happening when the next stage of the Thames Tunnel consultation kicks off next week Colin, watch this space...
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:13 am

Colin Darlow wrote:
i find it all a bit sad really, 21st century london and we are still pumping raw sewage into the thames.
we're going backwards not forwards.
if the non fishing public were aware (as i don't think most people are) they would be disgusted.


David Walliams did his bit on the Jonathan Ross show a week or so ago but it probably went directly from ear to ear, totally bypassing the brain of most viewers.

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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:16 pm

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PostSubject: thames tunnel(tideway tunnel)   Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:50 pm

Nice one Ed
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:04 am

how are the angling times and mail reporting on the subject (if at all) i don't read them so wouldn't know.
maybe get an article in one of those?
there are people on here who know tim knight and i think he's from ashford or there abouts so must know the thames well.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:38 am

Colin the AM may have something in on Tuesday with any luck.

Tim K has been a great supporter and always asks the TAC for comments about the Thames Smile
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:04 pm

Lord Selbournes report has been shown to the FT, looks like battle lines are being drawn.

Monday should prove very interesting.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6f63a070-02ff-11e1-899a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1cJBfpUlq
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:46 am

Letter to the FT from Stephen Greenhalgh, Leader, Hammersmith and Fulham Council
"Pull the plug now on Thames Water’s super-sewer plan"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e8ba0a8e-03d3-11e1-bbc5-00144feabdc0.html#
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:55 am

Anyone got a link to Thames Waters' "knee-jerk response" to the Tunnel Comission's report?
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:07 pm

http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/corp/hs.xsl/14829.htm
I think there might be a more detailed rebuttal coming out tomorrow morning.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:27 pm

I went to the launch of the Thames Tunnel Phase 2 consultation this evening. It was mostly aimed at informing press reporters and local councillors ahead of tomorrows launch.
There were presentations by:
  • Richard Aylard (Thames Water, external affairs) on the need for the tunnel,
  • Mark Lloyd (Angling Trust) on his vision of what a clean Thames could be like
  • Phil Stride (Thames Water, head of London tideway tunnels) on the phase 2 consultation, revised plans, costings and timescales.

The information presented is embargoed until midnight tonight, at which point a new website will go live with all the information. Apparently a lot has already been leaked on Twitter etc. though, its only a couple of hours away and this is a members-only forum so here are a few snippets:

  • Phase 2 consultation runs from tomorrow until February 2012
  • Building won't now start until 2016 will take 6 years and finish in 2022
  • The main tunneling site is at Battersea. They will tunnel east to Chambers Wharf and on to Abbey Mills, and also west from Battersea to Carnwarth Road (there's lots of other tunnelling going on in half-a-dozen different locations at once, I wasn't able to note it all down)
  • It'll take about a year to clear, prepare and get going on each site, after about 18 months the sink holes will be complete, then its all the tunnelling work between them with special boring machines, different types being necessary for different geologies.
  • 90% of the spoil will be taken out by barge, also a new railhead may be built at Battersea, this all increases the cost somewhat
  • Cost is up from £3.6bn to £4.1bn (at 2011 prices)
  • There will be no impact on bills until at least 2013.
  • Increase in bills will be £70-£80 per year which will bring Thames region bills up to the national average.
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:43 pm

Thanks Ed, nothing like inside info.

Firstly the delayed start is a blow, thst means at least 11 more years of sewage, i wonder what will be left.

The fact they are going to barge away at least 90% is highly significant. The campaigns from rats and stop the shaft have all be around many years of disruption.

It will have local impact, that there is no doubt and will be a nightmare for anyone living close, but this means TW did listen and did act.

Lets see the full report later and digest
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PostSubject: Re: *Thames Tunnel (Tideway Tunnel)*   Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:12 am

Ed Randall wrote:

[*]Building won't now start until 2016

Rolling Eyes Quelle surprise....a delay.

(Nice one for going Ed)
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