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Richard Crimp

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PostSubject: Water White Paper Survey   Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:38 pm


The Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is looking at possible reforms to the water industry* and we are keen to hear your views.

* By water industry we mean the companies who provide water and/or sewerage services as well as the organisations who regulate those companies.

1. What do you see as the main issues around water that you or your community face? And how would you address them?

(This might include the service you receive from your local water company or the condition of a local river)

In the first instance Thames Water will face an immense challenge in providing the water resources for an expanding region. This will be effected by the ability of Thames Water to ensure the efficient use of the regional water resources and some of the issues will be addressed in later questions of this White Paper.

Secondly, for the Thames Water (TW) region it will be the proposed Thames Tideway Tunnel which we (Thames Anglers' Conservancy) will be very grateful for.

However, a simple calculation of the projected amount that the water bills will rise for TW's 8mn+ customers, mean that the customers of TW will foot the bill entirely? This at a time when people will be hardest hit by the recession? This when TW are earning record profits of just under one half billion pounds per annum?

Whilst the Thames Anglers' Conservancy welcome the improvements to London's sewers, we are most disappointed that the company itself, Thames Water, will not pay for any of the upgrade per se.

The situation regarding discharge consents of untreated and screened sewerage has been legally allowed for 21yrs since privatisation, resulting in 39 million litres of raw sewage being pumped into the River Thames on an annual basis, and this will hopefully be comprehensively mitigated by the upgrades of, not only the cross London sewer systems, but also improvements to the 5 Sewer Treatment Stations, however, it will be totally paid for by the customer all the while the company continues to achieve record profits through a vital utility to London's expanding population. In fact the bedrock of that profit base has been built through the lack of legislation to upgrade London's Sewers and it is now going to be the customers that will be hit hardest again?

Therefore The Thames Anglers' Conservancy would like to see Defra/Ofwat ensure that TW foot half of the total cost for the respective projects to be completed.

2. What would encourage you/your community/organisation to conserve water?

(For example, would you like information on where your water supply comes from and its effect on the environment? Would it help to know how much water you use, what water efficient products are available or where you could get more advice on water saving?)

The immedite need for Defra and the Water Companies to control what the general population, agricultural businesses and industry can use to prevent pollutants entering the aquatic environment, such as, environmentally damaging washing products full of phosphates etc., many chemically based fertilizers & pesticides that promote excessive levels of nutrients & bio-accumulative toxins, which are basically allowed to enter our water table through 'soft' legislation.

Hard hitting national campaigns on saving water and why it is necessary. Also the need to charge water users on what they actually use through efficient and compulsory water meters (see Q3).

3. What would you change about the current way of paying for water?

(This could include opting for a meter, being able to change supplier, or support for those who need it most)

Thames Water need to install water meters to every water users premises. These need to be target driven and Thames Water should be investing whole-heartedly in the conservation of our vital water resources for the future.

This will mean Water Meters for every water user, and tariffs that penalise for over-use. Water users will never change the way they use the resource without being 'incentivised' to do so through accurate and modern meters to charge on volume used... it really can be that simple to a large extent!

4. If you could choose just one priority action for either the Government or water companies – what would it be and why? What could you do to help?

As a regionally based consultative for the Angling Trust, the Thames Anglers' Conservancy can expedite the necessary message to save water among its ever growing membership base, however, both the Govt. and Thames Water need to ensure that adequate controls and legislation are in place to protect and conserve the region's water resources.

The priority has to be the need to efficiently use the water resources available, and to ensure that the aquatic environment is protected, as the ever increasing pressures for the resource grows.

It is necessary for all stakeholders to assist in every way possible to protect our water, it is the most important and fundamental resource this planet has...
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Steve Holmes

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PostSubject: Re: Water White Paper Survey   Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:09 pm

Richard Crimp wrote:

This when TW are earning record profits of just under one half billion pounds per annum?

Whilst the Thames Anglers' Conservancy welcome the improvements to London's sewers, we are most disappointed that the company itself, Thames Water, will not pay for any of the upgrade per se.

Quite incredible. About time they had to pay up, seeing as they've saved money for years by not having to treat sewage every time it rains a couple of millimetres.
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Richard Crimp

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PostSubject: Re: Water White Paper Survey   Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:21 pm

I literally had to basically rattle off the above answers pretty sharpish, as we were only informed of the need to respond a few days ago (deadline 30/11/10), however, the issue is far more complicated and the answers above are little more than 'soundbites', as opposed to a full comprehensive researched response. Needs are as needs must...

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James Page

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Join date : 2010-01-21

PostSubject: Re: Water White Paper Survey   Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:53 am

nice one rich

here's one to get everyone hot under the collar

the law of our land requires the water companies to have certain items of machinery on their sites, this law does not require them to switch them on
so guess what, these machines that could improve river quality aint never been switched on

these company execs are putting profit before health, and we need to bury them in their own filth
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