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So true Evil or Very Mad
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Oh really, nice bit of spin no doubt from the Thames Water offices, all good Smile


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Tideway times Summer 2012

http://www.thameswater.co.uk/cps/rde/xbcr/corp/tideway-times-summer-2012.pdf

One note, for something that is killing our river, to many happy smiling faces, maybe should be happy smiling Faeces!
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David Harvey wrote:
Thames Water finances exposed (again)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/05/thames-water-tunnel-simon-hughes?newsfeed=true
All valid points... until we get to the "blame game", essentially Simon Hughes blaming the last Labour Govt. doing nothing about Thames Water's "[normal practice] business model", it was actually the Conservative Government that sold off TW back in 1989, allowed them to [continue] dumping raw sewage in the Thames via "Temporary" Discharge Consents, and set up a loose caveat that privastised utilities should invest in the infrastructure of such utilities. Well nothing's been done ever since (hardly, except when they wipe out an entire eco-system)... OFWAT have no teeth, big investment funds/businesses keep making up massive imaginary sums of money to pay themselves??? Using companies such as TW to fabricate money and undoubtedly stash it on tax free havens... allegedly!

They [TW] pay dividends to the the parent company Macquarie (and other segregated holding subsidiaries/investors) and all the while; PAY NO TAX TO THE UK; PLACE TW IN DEBT TO THE TUNE OF NEARLY £8 BILLION!!! Shocked

When Macquarie want out completely (already selling percentages off), it's possible to splinter up the business and just walk away. If they did that tomorrow, TW would be crippled with debt (Man Utd times 15), and the next 'skimmers' would come in and receive the same warped favourable conditions by the UK Govt. and we as customer's would be paying through the nose as usual... if it goes completely belly up we would undoubtedly have to fork up again [think banks) to stop the "company" collapsing internally...

We need the tunnel, but we are going to be paying for it, because TW now owe nearly £8bn, all this while paying "Share Dividends" (another word for bonuses people), to the tune of £1.4bn over the last 5 years etc. etc.

F### It, I'm going fishing...


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Updated animation of the proposed Tunnel..

http://www.thameswater.co.uk/media/12853.htm
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I wish the paperwork / graphics phase would end and they'd just build the thing and get it over with.

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Thames Water moves to buy land for supersewer

Thames Water has made a move to buy up land near the River Thames that it needs to build the Thames Tideway Tunnel.

The utility has written to Hammersmith & Fulham London Borough Council with a series of maps outlining council-owned land which it wishes to purchase for the £4.1 billion project.

The ‘supersewer’ would run from Acton in the west of the capital to Abbey Mills in the east and is designed to prevent raw sewage overflowing into the Thames following heavy rainfall.

The maps show council land on Carnwath Road in Fulham, around Frank Banfield Park in Hammersmith and around the Emlyn Garden Estate near Wendell Park all highlighted as land that Thames Water wants to buy.

In an email entitled ‘Thames Water seek to acquire an interest in LBHF land’, Thames Water’s Planning Consents Manager, Chris Stratford, stated: “As you may be aware, we need to acquire some property interests from you. We are obliged to seek to do this by agreement before applying for compulsory purchase powers.”

However, the council is strongly opposed to the scheme and has highlighted other ways to improve water quality in the river Thames, such as green infrastructure and sustainable urban drainage systems.

Councillor Greg Smith, Council Deputy Leader, said:

“The maps they have sent us - highlighting homes, offices, parks and roads – show the truly devastating impact the sewer could have if construction work is not prevented.

“We remain 100 per cent opposed to the super sewer not only because it will turn residents’ lives upside down and bring massive disruption to communities across London but because we know there are cheaper, greener and less disruptive alternatives.”

Thames Water has confirmed that the company is sending plans and schedules of land interests to 14 London boroughs and other stakeholders that have a land interest along the proposed tunnel route.

The utility is yet to get planning permission on the Tideway Tunnel. A 12-week consultation on the finalised plans closes on 5 October after which a development consent order will be submitted to the Planning Inspectorate early next year.

Subject to approval by the Planning Inspectorate, Thames Water hopes to start construction in 2015 or 2016.

From http://www.waterbriefing.org/index.php/home/company-news/item/6200-thames-water-moves-to-buy-land-for-supersewer
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Went to the Thames Festival yesterday (Sunday Sept' 9th) to assist on the stall for the Thames Tunnel Now coalition - as a representative for the TAC - promoting the need for the Thames Tunnel. It was a productive day with only 8 or 9 people objecting to the tunnel, and all of those because they live in the vicinity of the proposed shaft sites.

I wouldn't want it built next door to me either, but that's the problem with living in a city that continues to expand at such an alarming rate, there are building works in progress all over the place regardless of local inconvenience...


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Well done Rich, thanks for attending and fighting for a our cleaner river Smile

This is an interesting article, has little substance in my eye

From www.http://waterbriefing.org

Thames Tunnel opponents press for green alternative

Opponents to Thames Water’s plans for a proposed super-sewer are continuing with their efforts to push for a green alternative to the Thames Tunnel. Thamesbank, one of the leading opposition groups, is urging for consideration to be given to the green solution adopted by the city of Philadelphia in the United States to its stormwater problems.

Green City, Clean Waters is Philadelphia's 25-year plan to protect and enhance its watersheds by managing stormwater with innovative green infrastructure systems that assist or mimic natural processes.

At a meeting organised by Thamesbank in August to discuss water management problems in London, attendees heard from Mark Maimone, Managing Director of CDM Smith, the water engineering company that has overseen the installation of the Green Infrastructure project in Philadelphia, a smaller city than London but one where there is also a combined sewer system with the CSOs overflowing into the tidal Delaware River. Philadelphia has more CSOs than London and has to cope with a significant storm water problem.

Among those present were Matthew Pencharz, Environmental Adviser to the Mayor of London, representatives from the Environment Agency, the Greater London Authority, the London boroughs of Wandsworth, Hammersmith and Fulham, Southwark and the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea, the Environmental Law Foundation, the West London River Group, London Friends of The Earth, Thames 21 and other Thames-related bodies.

The meeting also heard from Chris Binnie, the former chairman of the Thames Tideway Strategic Study, consultant water engineer and advocate of the tunnel who was chief advisor to Thames Water on the project. Dr Ben Pontin of the Environmental Law Foundation also explained the legal status of the Thames Tunnel in relation to the EU Urban Waste Water Directive, non compliance with which could leave the UK facing fines of around one billion Euros.

There are already on-going infraction proceedings in the European Court of Justice (ECJ) to decide if the UK is breaching the Directive by the stormwater/sewage overflows into the Thames.

Thamesbank itself is a party to the ECJ proceedings as an objector. Its representatives have corresponded with the European Commission, and met with prosecuting officials to clarify the legal position regarding the Commission’s view of compliance in the event that the ECJ rules against the UK.

The meeting was told that the estimated financial costs of the Tunnel, which currently stand at £4 billion-plus are likely to rise again – with tunnels in Japan and the USA which came in at between 5 and 12 times original estimates cited as examples.

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Autumn Tideway Times

http://www.thameswater.co.uk/tw/common/images/aboutus-projects-tidal-thames/tideway-times-autumn-2012.pdf

And

Supersewer works could damage Hammersmith Bridge and shut it for up to a year

(or more H&F propaganda?)

19 September 2012

Hammersmith Bridge could be closed to traffic for up to a year because supersewer works may damage its foundations, structural engineers claim.

Officers at Hammersmith & Fulham council said that drilling work on the proposed £3.6 billion Thames tunnel would weaken the bridge, one of London’s busiest river crossings.

The council said that Thames Water maps reveal that the pipe will be installed 75 feet below the foundations of the Grade II-listed suspension bridge, which was opened in 1887 and has survived three IRA bombings.

In 1997, the bridge was closed for a year for structural work.

The Thames Water tunnel, which is still in the planning phase, will collect 39 million tons of untreated waste that currently flows into the river every year.

Thames Water today accused the council of “scaremongering”.

A spokesman said: “While at first sight this looks very much like the latest in a long line of scaremongering by the council, if they have any supporting evidence to support this claim we will of course look at it very carefully.”

The council said that the bridge was used by more than 12,500 vehicles a day. In 1984, it was closed for a year, when it dropped by four inches.

Hammersmith & Fulham is one of four councils that paid £20,000 for a commission into the plans and has called for an alternative plan for the sewage, including water butts, green roofs and “permeable pavements”.

Council leader Nicholas Botterill said: “Hammersmith bridge is not just an iconic symbol of our borough, it is a major transport route.

“If it is forced to shut because of Thames Water’s unnecessary supersewer, there will be hell to pay.”

From http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/supersewer-works-could-damage-hammersmith-bridge-and-shut-it-for-up-to-a-year-8156170.html
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The logical continuation of this argument being that the supersewer will damage every single bridge that it passes beneath along the Thames!...
rather unlikely unless the tunnel actually collapses during construction.

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If the presumtion is structures will collaspe every time tunnels were dug 75 foot under neath them i think the time has come to evacuate London immediatly what with the 150 year old tube network,victorian sewrage system and
we must cancell the Crossrail project! Get a life 'leader of F & H' council and would the last person to leave london turn off the lights!
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I heard that if you have a supersewer running within a 2 mile radius of your house you'll get cancer... alien
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Thames Water employ Uri Gellar

Thames Water attempting to brainwash schoolchildren
Friday September 28, 2012

Thames Water appears to be trying to brainwash schoolchildren as young as 11 into backing its controversial Thames Tunnel ‘super sewer’.

The water utility giant has designed a special website, targeted at secondary school pupils, with the aim of convincing children into believing that the £4.1 billion concrete monstrosity is the best way to prevent sewage from entering the River Thames.

The company has also upped its campaign by offering schools the chance to invite Thames Water Ambassadors to come and talk to pupils about the supposed benefits of the super sewer.

The stark revelation comes while, in direct contrast, schoolchildren in major American cities, like Philadelphia, are being educated about the benefits of alternative, cheaper and more environmentally-friendly solutions to deal with rainwater, to stop sewage problems.

Hammersmith & Fulham (H&F) Council has long been a fierce critic of the super sewer and has been highlighting the cheaper, greener and less disruptive alternatives to the massive pipe – which would be around the size of the Channel Tunnel, if it is built.

Leader of Hammersmith & Fulham Council, Cllr Nicholas Botterill, said: “By targeting impressionable young children Thames Water has plummeted to a new low. Instead of educating children responsibly about modern up to date sustainable green solutions, Thames Water thinks it is more appropriate to talk up old fashioned, wasteful and deeply environmentally damaging engineering projects.

“Around the world, major cities are waking up to the reality that deep tunnels are not the best solution way to make our rivers cleaner. The evidence is clear – green infrastructure that prevents fresh water from overloading the sewer network, is the best way forward.

“Perhaps the reason why Thames Water refuse to even consider green infrastructure is because they stand to make an enormous 162million a year in additional revenue through the super sewer.”
In particular, the council believes that Thames Water should follow the example of major American cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Cleveland where greener solutions – like permeable pavements, green roofs and infiltration trenches – are used to stop fresh rain-water flooding into sewers in the first place.
A recent presentation to the council by CDM Smith, a company that specialises in green infrastructure, shows that schools in the United States of America are at the forefront of a major bid to ‘green up’ their neighbourhoods.

The new Kensington Creative and Performing Arts High School in Philadelphia shows exactly what is possible when a commitment is made to green infrastructure.
The school is located on land previously known as a haven for the homeless, drug addicts and wild dogs. To eliminate storm-water run-off from the site the school has been built complete with a series of rain gardens, permeable paving and green roofs to soak up the water.
Since the school moved into the new building in 2010 it has become a source of inspiration for the community, with regular workshops held to educate local people about the importance of green infrastructure.
Just down the road Albert M Greenfield Elementary School is in the middle of a five-year project that will transform the mixed-use asphalt schoolyard into a self-sustaining, flowering green space.
The school has recently planted a rain garden with 23 new trees, a herb garden and orchard, and a rock garden. The new water-permeable surface collects rainwater and reduces run-off into the sewer system.
Lord Selborne’s Thames Tunnel Commission also recently recommended that green infrastructure solutions should be considered instead of the super sewer.

Chris Binnie, who was chairman of the Thames Tideway Strategic Study Group from 2000 to 2006 and the original architect of the Thames Tunnel scheme, has also recently said the modest benefits of the tunnel no longer justify the massive cost.
Thames Water customers from Essex to Gloucestershire, including Londoners, face paying at least £100 more per year for the rest of their lives to pay for the sewer.
H&F Council has also criticised a London Assembly Health and Environment Committee report into water management that totally overlooks water drainage issues and makes no references whatsoever to green infrastructure.
Cllr Botterill added: “Sustainable drainage solutions and green infrastructure are key to water management strategies in other world cities today. The benefits that a green strategy is bringing to a city like Philadelphia are wide-ranging and this could be replicated in London if we had the political will to drive it forward.”

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Here is the "Tideway Times" with reference to the educational resources in question - my understanding was it's all about getting kids interested in civil engineering.
http://www.thameswater.co.uk/tw/common/images/aboutus-projects-tidal-thames/tideway-times-autumn-2012.pdf

Here's the educational site: http://www.tunnelworks.co.uk/ looks OK to me, maybe I'm already brainwashed.

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Government bans building on three London 'supersewer' sites

(from http://www.planningresource.co.uk/news/1154508/government-bans-building-three-london-supersewer-sites/)

The safeguarding direction prevents the City of London, the London Borough of Lewisham and the Royal Borough of Greenwich from granting planning permission for any development on the sites without Pickles’ prior authorisation

The three sites - Blackfriars Bridge foreshore in the City, Earl Pumping Station in Lewisham and Greenwich Pumping Station – are along the route of the proposed 16-mile Thames Tunnel.

The direction came into force last Friday October 5, and will remain in force until March 31 next year.

The three authorities were notified in a letter from Pamela Roberts, the Department for Communities and Local Government’s acting head of planning casework, on behalf of Pickles.

The letters state: "Whilst it is clear that delivery of this nationally significant project is extremely important, the secretary of state is very conscious that there are ongoing conversations between your authority and potential developers to plan for housing and other development.

"For this reason, the secretary of state regarding these three sites has opted to issue a safeguarding direction."

The letters also say that utility company Thames Water "intends to submit the formal development consent application [for the supersewer] to the Planning Inspectorate in early 2013".

At Blackfriars, Thames Water is proposing to reclaim an area of the Thames which, along with the other two pieces of land, would be used as a site on which to build shafts and other structures needed to operate the main tunnel running underneath.

The two pumping stations would be on the route of the Greenwich connection tunnel, which is proposed to run from south-east London to meet the main tunnel at Chambers Wharf, Bermondsey.

The Greenwich Pumping Station will also be used as a construction site to build this connection tunnel. The station itself is a Grade II-listed stucture, but Thames Water said it will not be affected by the work.

Thames Water bills rise to pay for Thames super sewer, Richard Benyon Support

(from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19898168 )

Thames Water customers have been warned their bills are likely to rise by as much as £80 a year to help pay for a £4.1bn super sewer in London.

Leaflets are being distributed to wastewater customers to warn them of the estimated £70-£80 hike, which will help pay for the Thames Tideway Tunnel.

The company provides wastewater services in London, the Thames Valley and parts of neighbouring counties.

The rise, calculated using 2011 prices, will start in 2014 at the earliest.

Thames Water said the calculations did not take into account inflation and they would not come into effect before 2014. It said the £70-£80 estimate was the "maximum bill impact" which was likely to come a few years later.

A spokeswoman said: "We previously made it clear that bills need to rise to pay for the cost of the Thames Tideway Tunnel and are now able to give our customers advance warning of the likely increase and the timing.

"Ofwat sets limits on water bills in line with the work that water companies need to do, and will scrutinise the Thames Tideway Tunnel costs to ensure they are kept as low as possible."

Iconic river
Thames Water said the new tunnel is needed to stop increasing amounts of sewage being discharged into the Thames from the Victorian sewers.

About 39 million tonnes of sewage is discharged into the river every year from 57 overflows, whenever there is heavy rainfall.

Environment Minister Richard Benyon said: "This is an iconic river. Do we really want future generations to not be able to use the river because of the high level of sewage in it? We've got to get it right.

"There's a huge economic benefit with 4,250 direct jobs and 80% of the spend on the contractors will be UK based, so they'll be huge benefits for the economy.

"I don't want to see anyone's bills go up but I think most people will see the virtue of this scheme."

The Thames Tideway Tunnel will be the width of three London buses and will run for 20 miles from west to east London, connecting up the 34 of the most polluting sewer overflows.
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In a week when there were claims of the 'biggest evacuation of London since the war' doh, this is why the tunnel will be built...


Britain faces large fines for breaching European Union law on water treatment after plants in London and north east England dumped

The European Court of Justice has the power to impose fines of thousands of euros per day, but has yet to decide what the fine will be.

Under a 1991 EU law, Britain was obliged to meet new standards for treating waste water.

The court said it has not.

Insufficient capacity

"The United Kingdom has failed to fulfil its obligations under (the) directive," the Luxembourg-based court said.

It said plants in Whitburn in Wearside and in London had dumped sewage in local waterways.

London's sewer system, much of which dates back to Victorian times, discharges raw waste into the River Thames when rainfall overwhelms the 19th-Century tunnels.

"So far as concerns the treatment plants of the collecting system for London... their capacity is sufficient in dry weather but not sufficient in the slightest in the case of rainfall," the court said.

Britain said it had already taken steps to fix the problem and that it was complying with EU regulations.

The court rejected its argument.

"A member state may not plead practical or administrative difficulties in order to justify non-compliance with the obligations and time limits laid down by a directive.

"The same holds true of financial difficulties, which it is for the member states to overcome by adopting appropriate measures," it said.

A Defra spokesman said the department was "disappointed" by the court's findings as it is working on "major improvements to sewage and treatment systems in London".

He added: "We will study the judgement carefully to ensure we solve all of the breaches."

A £4bn tunnel dubbed the "super-sewer" has been commissioned in London, underneath the Thames, in an attempt to solve the capacity problem.

In 2010, the European Commission asked the European Court of Justice to impose a lump sum fine of 15 million euros on Belgium for water violations, and a daily fine of 62,000 euros.
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This letter was printed in the Financial Times today (8th Nov. 2012)

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(Also online at http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ef45e4a-28ec-11e2-9591-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Be4lBZsj )
Mr. Starkie needs to do a bit more research and get his facts right methinks. Needless to say, he will be vigorously corrected.

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Give him 'what for' Ed! Laughing


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Dear sir

Re Letter on 8th November 'Abundant Fish life in the Thames'

Mr Starkie is incorrect. Sewage overflows are sadly far from 'very
occasional'. They happen nearly every time there is any significant
amount of rain. In the first ten months of this year, Hammersmith
pumping station alone made 26 significant discharges of raw sewage
direct to the river, August seeing over one million tonnes go in.
There are 56 other discharge points, many of which also discharge
very frequently. In a typical year the total discharge is
39 million tonnes.

The Thames is recovering, and certainly better than prior to the
1970's. But each discharge affects not only the fish but all
wildlife that uses the river. In one single incident in June 2011,
an estimated 100,000 fish were killed, along with millions of
invertebrates, the life blood of our rivers. To be in denial is
simply not to have been next to the river in mid summer after it has
rained. That is why we need the Thames Tunnel now.

Yours

David Harvey
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Thames Anglers' Conservancy



Lets see if they print it!
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Nice one Mr.H hopefully it will appear.
Google searches indicate that this David Starkie is a bit of a serial campaigner in favour of airport expansion. Seems odd that one in favour of such infrastructure and development should come out against the tunnel. I suppose he must be a hard-core anti-environmentalist, in favour of increased pollution. Oh, and he lives right alongside the river at Elm Quay Court, SW8 5DE, so it's right in his back yard. Perhaps he should move to Harlington or Cranford?

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