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i amm now puting this on my face book, to promote it
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyTue Jan 15, 2013 6:52 pm

I would like to point out on all pages , it has the version number and date, I did point this out to the people at the EA that none of the rules/by laws were dated, or what version it was, so in theory, when a by-law is changed, the version number and date will change, and it makes things easier for us anglers, to know the rules, so once a year, all fishing clubs and individual fisher-person should, before the fishing season starts, get the latish copy for the rules, by checking the version number and date, then passing it on to their members, now, we all know they do this anyway Rolling Eyes

a big will done cheers to the people who at long last got it right
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyWed Jan 16, 2013 6:17 pm

Right we need to clarify how these have changed on the taking of fish, they haven't.

Apparently the old Thames bylaw was repealed a few years ago but struggling to find anything related to it, in terms of documents or updated rules on the EA website. Certainly the link to the old Thames bylaws were unchanged.

So it was brought inline with the national rules allowing the taking of 15 fish as noted.

We were wrong up to now but feel it was not made easy and that's with many eyes on it. Firmly shot down in flames today.

I personally do disagree with these rules, but until they come up again, better keep quiet. Understand it was the Anglimg Trust and other who agreed them.


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PostSubject: HAVE A LAUGH   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyWed Jan 16, 2013 9:37 pm

just checked the EA site, new rules and regs, http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/fishing/31465.aspx

and cor blimy, just give me a good kicking, and a bottle of run, Aaaaaaarrrrr pirat

just printed of 20 copys of bylaws, SE Region, version 15, Jan 2013, the one on our web site

the one on the EA site is version 16 Jan 2013 http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Leisure/South_East_Fisheries_Byelaws_-_16_January_2013.pdf

that makes all mine out of date and uless, not a very happy pirate Aaaaaarrrrr


right , weres that tip-x 👅
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyWed Jan 16, 2013 10:32 pm

Have been 2 further 'typo's' mate, think they would check it Rolling Eyes

Expect more.....
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OFF 2 get more tip-x Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyThu Jan 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Cheers for posting David.

"1.7.2 What freshwater (coarse) fish can I take?
On rivers, you may take no more than -
 one pike of less than 65cm per day;
 two grayling of between 30 and 38cm per day;
 fifteen barbel, chub, common bream, common carp, crucian carp, dace, perch, pike, roach, rudd, silver bream, smelt or tench (including any hybrids of these species) of less than 20cm per day.
All lengths are measured from the tip of the snout to the fork of the tail.
These restrictions also apply on all other waters that are subject to the coarse fish close season (see above).
There are no restrictions on the number of other coarse fish you may take (see below for eel and shad)."

So basically I can take any number of double figure barbel, thirty pound carp, twenty pound pike and such as I choose i.e. over these sizes? If that is the case it does make a mockery of the accusations of "poaching" in coarse fishing circles.

If not, then the wording is not clear enough in light of the last sentence "There are no restrictions on the number of other coarse fish you may take (see below for eel and shad)" i.e. the wording should state no taking of fish over these sizes.

Either way, it doesn't make much difference as people seem to "do as thou wilt".

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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyThu Jan 17, 2013 1:39 pm

Stephen Bond wrote:

So basically I can take any number of double figure barbel, thirty pound carp, twenty pound pike and such as I choose i.e. over these sizes? If that is the case it does make a mockery of the accusations of "poaching" in coarse fishing circles.

Hi Stephen,

No, you can not take more than 15 barbel, chub, common bream, common carp, crucian carp, dace, perch, pike, roach, rudd, silver bream, smelt, tench or any hybrids of those species and they must be less than 20cm long. (there's another error there, pike shouldn't be in that list as its got its own limit in the first point.)

By "other coarse fish" it means other species, bleak, gudgeon, pope/ruffe etc. You can take as many of those as you like (not good).

I'm not saying I agree even with that, take a 20cm roach ?!
And I totally agree with you about the wording, its very poor.
But I've been around this a lot the past few days and that's what it means. I think!

Cheers, Ed.

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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyThu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 pm

The 15 fish not over 8" (old school) is so that people who go live/dead bait fishing can catch the fish to go pike fishing, "OR", you can take them home to eat, if you put in a law that say know taking of fish, then you cannot go pike fishing with fish you have court from that river,

Mark Barrett explain it all in the angling Mail , December 11 , 2012 about how many fish you can take for pike fishing per day, and the fact that if he ever gets into power about fishing, he will ban all keep nets

I have got that copy some were, will try and find it and post it

but if you catch 20 non-migrating trout, you can take them all home to eat, as long as they all over 10 1/2", there is no restriction on how many you can take in one day, it has to be in session as will
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just rang the EA, told them the story about the pike, they are going to look into it
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyThu Jan 17, 2013 4:00 pm

I have emailed them also, I proposed that it was an error introduced when the "Taking Stock" leaflet was written because the actual national byelaw 3 is not quite so ambiguous.

I also stated that it is morally wrong that you can take as many trout as you like and as many other species as you like and would like to see those loopholes in the byelaws closed.

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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyThu Jan 17, 2013 11:44 pm

have ask Terry Peters to inform anglers of new rules are out on his radio show http://www.brooklandsradio.co.uk/ at 1225hrs, friday

12.30 pm In the Net
Terry Peters with the latest angling prospects in North Surrey. In association with the Angler’s Mail.
Repeated tomorrow at 7.30 am.

will allso give Runnymede council a copy as well for info
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyWed Jun 12, 2013 6:03 am

There was a slight revision to the FEb version, just typo's I think.

Here is the latest info:

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/documents/Leisure/South_East_Fisheries_Byelaws_-_17_April_2013.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region   Updated Fisheries Byelaws for Thames Region EmptyTue Sep 10, 2013 11:46 am

There's a very good letter about this in Anglers Mail today.
You can read it here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/riverthamesfishing/permalink/555033831199221/

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