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James Page



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PostSubject: Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptyMon Sep 19, 2011 8:02 am

suggested by james and steve, and seems a pukka idea
lets get down when its low down and fish old school
wading and trotting with hemp for dace

steve suggested hemp seed corner as the venue, so opinions please chaps
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James Page wrote:

steve suggested hemp seed corner as the venue, so opinions please chaps

Equally happy at Ham though...or anywhere else that could be good Smile
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Hemp seed corner, That's a new one to me?
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PostSubject: Re: Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptyMon Sep 19, 2011 12:00 pm

X more-or-less marks the spot on the meeting point map under the "Mini Ha Ha clean up" thread https://t-a-c.forumotion.com/t1088p15-mini-haha-clean-up-sunday-12th-june (Steve's 1938 TAPS Blue Book photo was taken from underneath the railway bridge)
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Andrew Shaw wrote:
Hemp seed corner, That's a new one to me?

I hadn't heard of it till last year either, not being local. Martin Steggall told me about it.

In WWI, Richmond ice skating rink (now flats) was a munitions factory owned by a Belgian. He employed Belgian refugees who went fishing down by Richmond railway bridge and used hemp. As the pic says in the Thames dace thread, a good spot as you can shelter from rain under there. Apparently, this was one of, if not the first, use of hemp recorded in England for angling bait.

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Steve Holmes wrote:
James Page wrote:

steve suggested hemp seed corner as the venue, so opinions please chaps

Equally happy at Ham though...or anywhere else that could be good Smile

I'm sure this is still the case, once we have the 1st frost the dace migrate from Ham and petersham, they migrate to two locations upstream to Teddington lock or into richmond town centre.
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PostSubject: sun 20th november dace fish in during run off   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptySun Oct 16, 2011 9:09 pm

Spoke to a few of the guys today regarding venue for dace fish in on 20th November and River lane came out favourite for meeting point, a few weeks off, i know, but better to get it nailed down now so we all know where we are going.
opinions lads.
cant wait
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PostSubject: Re: Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptySun Oct 16, 2011 10:02 pm

In front of the Ice Rink at Richmond used to be found some fabulous dace runs 20 years ago+, but the water these days tends to be very coloured... not saying you can't get amongst them when the water clarity is good, but... Catch it right and you can expect 10lb bags easily, although, access is a little wild these days!

Hemp seed corner may be a little more accomodating in terms of bankside access, but I've never fished it for silvers? Teddington has serious problems for those bank fishing, and Ham could be good as long as a shoal or two turns up?

Just a thought chaps, and considering you would be fishing during the draw-off, wouldn't it be better waiting until after the draw off? Fish do some strange things during this period, and what with the fact that you are missing 4 foot of water plus at low tide, you may be limiting your chances?

Sorry to throw a curve ball at yer!


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PostSubject: Re: Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptyTue Oct 18, 2011 5:20 pm

Can one actually get in the water & wade @ Hempseed corner, which is what I understood to be the object of the exercise?

From memory & seemingly confirmed by Google Street view, there's a raised embankment there from where one usually fishes, presumably:

http://tinyurl.com/6jkh8re

Is "River Lane" @ Petersham? If so it gets my vote (provided there should be some fish around) as I've always fancied fishing there.
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JUST SPOCK TO ME dad, REF HEMP SEED CORNER, HE Fished it lots of times many years ago, the best way to fish it was around 2' deep, stick float, rod or pole, just when the tide is coming up, then going down again, the location of hemp seed corner is under twickenham bridge/railway bridge, depending on who you speck to, i have know about this for years and fished it when i was around 12, never fished it at low tide as to muddy, Bill Rushmer done a piece on it a few years ago in Angling Mail

im all for fishing it
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Keith Collett wrote:
JUST SPOCK TO ME dad, REF HEMP SEED CORNER, the location of hemp seed corner is under twickenham bridge/railway bridge,
that is exactly where it is keith, my grandad pointed it out to me when we fished twickenham piscatorial matches on that stretch. sadly it didn't fish that well and the best swims were always on the opposite bank by the house boats. further up is where the crane joins the thames and there were some good swims there, again by the house boats. there were more steps up that end too, so easier to get down to the water.
as i remember it the access down to the water on this side of the river is better, and there is parking by the water in ranelagh drive. fished it many times and hooked a few big lumps on light tackle. long time ago though!
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Paul Snell wrote:
Can one actually get in the water & wade @ Hempseed corner, which is what I understood to be the object of the exercise?

From memory & seemingly confirmed by Google Street view, there's a raised embankment there from where one usually fishes, presumably:

http://tinyurl.com/6jkh8re

Is "River Lane" @ Petersham? If so it gets my vote (provided there should be some fish around) as I've always fancied fishing there.

Hi Paul, if wading is what you want we're better off at Ham/Petersham than Hempseed Corner. You won't be able to wade out too far on either though as there's a lot of boats. You will catch lots of fish though Wink

Rich's point about the run-off is worth listening to though - if this coincides with the run-off (does it?) I'm not sure how it would effect the fishing?.....On the other hand, you'll be able to wade and there'll be hardly any boats Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal   Sun 20th Nov. 2011 dace fish in during run off on tidal EmptyWed Oct 19, 2011 12:49 am

Not what I want - from the first post on this thread:

"...lets get down when its low down and fish old school
wading and trotting with hemp for dace"


Isn't the point of fishing the draw off to take advantage of the unusually low tides? Keith has pointed out that hemp seed corner fishes best around high tide and in fact doesn't fish well during (normal) low tides - too muddy.

As Richard has suggested, if we are going to fish Hemp seed corner, might be best to wait until after the draw off.
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The idea behind this was to see how big the Dace grow and fishing the run off gives you the oppurtunity to fish in unusual conditions, unique to Thames anglers, and one i believe we should take advantage of.
As jim said, lets get down and fish old school, wading and trotting.
You can fish at Richmond at any time in normal conditions.
River lane seems ideal as you can park with ease and gain access to the river via the boat slip.
On a personal note, i,ve already booked off the weekend 19th/20th and being self employed, i cant really muck about with the work that is offered to me.

Decisions lads.

20th November, River lane?
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James Annear wrote:
20th November, River lane?
cheers
james

I suppose we won't know the effect of the run-off till we try, so count me in James Smile

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Tide times for Sun 20th Nov (GMT, but that will be normal local time by then):

  • 03:52 - 0.1
  • 09:05 - 3.6
  • 16:16 - 0.0
  • 22:13 - 3.9

An early start would fish through an incoming/high/outgoing tide, it won't be down to gravel until late morning.
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Paul Snell wrote:
Can one actually get in the water & wade @ Hempseed corner,

if you go on the opposite side to hempseed corner there are steps down to the water.
the swims there used to win twickers matches with 25-35lb of dace!
there are more steps further along, and the section between the lock and the river crane has quite a few sets of steps. if i remember rightly you wade out quite far. there is parking right next to the river aswell.
best thing is to go and have a look down along the the section and see what you think.
we would get 15-25 anglers on matches there and there were plenty of swims.
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Just a reminder lads,
two weeks today,
20th november,
river lane,
dace fish-in.

cheers
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out for me birthday on the 19th but will try and get there for this 1.
hopefully meet a few more faces.
the fresh air might help clear the hangover.
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so whos up for this?
should be a great day out,putting faces to names and a good bit of banter bounce

only a week away.
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Definitely in.
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And me.
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WELL
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Didn't manage to wet a line but took a load of draw-off photos last weekend and this.

https://picasaweb.google.com/ed.j.randall/ThamesDrawOff?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJPF54Sb9-S_owE&feat=directlink

Beware the motorcycle frame snag near River Lane. A way out in the mud, could perhaps retrieve it with a boat or a long rope & grappling hook!
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Mark Hathway wrote:
WELL

It's next weekend Hathers so we'll report our blank this time next week Wink Very Happy
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