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David Harvey


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PostSubject: Dinner with Thames Water   Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:36 pm

Just about to get 'suited and booted' for a trip up to Islington for an early evening dinner with Martin Baggs CEO of Thames Water.

Thought it could be one to swerve as expected it to be 40-50 people and of little interest (and another fishing evening gone Rolling Eyes ) Turns out its 14 people (including the volunteer from Surbiton Laughing ) for a sort of 1 to 1 with the top man and a few generals. No agenda just open conversation about TW's performance and the future.

No idea what to expect, I think they know the TAC's position on most things but a great opportunity to tell the top man.

We will not accept any sort of funding from TW, in fact nothing even to the extent that the Olympic rowing final tickets were turned down, this one is different though.

Above all shows just how far we have come as an organisation in a short period time and given a voice for Thames Anglers. Its pretty impressive really and thats with the help of everyone who has joined and given an opinion, showed support and backed the campaigns, thank you all Very Happy

BTW, its not the TAC way to pull any punches or not tell it like it is. Twisted Evil

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Kevin Russell


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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:56 pm

Nice result, whats on the Menu, Mitten Crab supreme and Crayfish Icecream?
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David Harvey


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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:05 pm


And a big dollop of Thames sewage Evil or Very Mad
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Chris Wooding

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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:13 pm

Nice work Dave, I hope it goes well - definitely a big endorsement of all the effort TAC have put in.
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David Harvey


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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:18 pm

Very interesting evening and worth making the effort.

I feared having a 'John Lydon on Question time moment' but survived Laughing

The invited guests included 4 from TW, head of the Inst of Civil engineers, Martin Low City Commissioner for Transportation in Westminster, Innes Jones top bod of the EA West Thames.. and the volunteer from Surbiton.

Much of the talk was about the drought and how close it came to an emergency order being issued, the need for a new reservoir etc. I stated our support for the Thames Tideway Tunnel and questioned why if Uk PLC are will to pay £33 billion for HS2, then why is 4 bn for the Tunnel not also being paid for. The Tunnel appears to have another seal of approval from the government so I fully expect it to get built, very good news.

Much about pricing and how valuable water is a commodity, they said the the water awareness campaign around the drought had be successful in reducing demand.

Martin Low talked about the issues they have with relentless roadworks from utilities and said that TW are one of the better ones. A few of the cabling (telecom) companies are a nightmare and is worried about a major comms fault which could hit commerce in spectacular fashion. He said that 1 in 5 excavations are aborted due too not finding the asset they thought was there, a shocking fact.

I questioned whether TW had under invested since privatisation in 1989, that in terms of the hundreds of CSO's that still remain with temporary licences, no real answer but do expect something back soon. They live under pricing constraints from OFWAT so any increases are hard fought. That shouldnt be an excuse for under investment but the do have shareholders who expect a dividend.

I said that TW have a major image problem and do get blamed for every ill. If you look at leakage targets whilst TW do lose a lot, they are being reduced unlike most of the other companies. On pollution again TW are bad but not as bad as Southwest Water who have been fined at least 10 times in the last year.

If you look at water companies failing overall for OFWATS Key Performances Indicators (KPI's), then TW do not feature.

(Below is from the ENDS report)
The KPIs are designed to show whether legal and regulatory obligations are being complied with, as well as indicating whether water firms are broadly meeting customer expectations. Ofwat told water companies to publish the KPIs on their websites by 15 July, as well as submit them to the regulator as part of an annual ‘risk and compliance’ statement by this date.

The six environmental KPIs are:

Greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions (thousand tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent)
Discharge permit compliance (%)
Satisfactory sludge disposal (%)
Drinking water pollution incidents (category 1-3 incidents per 10,000km of main)
Sewage pollution incidents (category 1-3 incidents per 1,000km of sewer)
Serious sewage pollution incidents (category 1-2 incidents per 10,000km of sewer).
Ofwat guidance states that each KPI must be displayed in a traffic light format: red (significantly below expectation), amber (slightly below expectation) or green (at or above expectation). The thresholds are different for each indicator.

Water and sewerage companies are expected to report on all six environmental KPIs, whereas standalone water companies only report the two indicators for GHG emissions and water pollution incidents.

KPI results compiled by ENDS reveal that drinking water pollution incidents and sewerage pollution incidents for six of the ten water and sewerage companies (Anglian, Welsh, Severn Trent, Southern, South West and Yorkshire Water) were below the performance expected by Ofwat (see table). All ten water and sewerage companies failed to meet Ofwat’s performance expectation for at least one of the three sewage pollution and water pollution indicators.

We are no supporter of TW but there are much worse for sure, it does help that one of their directors is an angler fishing for all the same as us.

Think thats about it, there was more but I glazed over at times and was thinking about fishing the next day Cool

All in all, the TAC at the big table, no Thames 21 invited, no TEP, River Thames society, just us.

All good.
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Andy Banham


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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 am

well done our super oap from surbiton. i have seen tables in the mail where thames water are often not at the top of the list. before the heavy rain the thames water ressies at chingford and walthamstow were full but 3 million olympics visitors could have used all that up.
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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:45 pm

Thanks Dave, very interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Dinner with Thames Water   Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:27 pm

Dave well done on attendiing
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