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David Harvey


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PostSubject: Presentation to river Groups on pollution   Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:39 pm

We have been invited by the River Thames Society to give a presentation to many other river groups about the problem of Tidal Sewage. It is quite an honor to be invited in the first place and to be the only Thames group actually speaking. I have seen concerns on the other thread about the club but can assure you we are held in a high regard and unique as an angling conservation and campaign group Have no doubt, the future is very bright.

The presentation is in the run up to the next phase of consultations about the Tideway Tunnel with Thames Water speaking as well.

When the invite first came through I did view it with some trepidation as talking before Thames Water may be seen as acting as part of their pr campaign.

The Tunnel must be built, that there is no question; to now go back and revisit the entire scheme would potentially put 10 years on the solution. Even then there would be no guarantees that it would be done.

So I have agreed to talk and do not intend to pull any punches about the problem, the effect sewage has on the river and why the Tunnel must be built. We have a library of pictures from June, it wont be pleasant.

Thames Water are purely the incumbent who owns the sewers and sewerage works, it could be any company. They are the biggest the polluters of our rivers, they legally extract huge amounts from our river whilst losing in the region of 60 million litres a day through leaks. I fully intend to make those points clear. In addition the cumulative effects of the abstraction, how hydropower will affect the energy coming downstream. Lastly I will talk about the struggle and time the EA has to put in dealing with the mitigation of the sewage, that seems to go unnoticed sadly and obviously time spent better elsewhere looking after the river.

But the Tunnel needs to be built and as much support as can be gained over the next few months as possible. One nagging question, just how good could it be without all the sewage, hope we live find out.

This is worth reading about our lost water...

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Keith Collett


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PostSubject: Re: Presentation to river Groups on pollution   Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:27 am

stick me name down to go,
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Richard Crimp

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PostSubject: Re: Presentation to river Groups on pollution   Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:54 am

Here are a few points raised through the consultation Dave that you may wish to consider;

1. That all due care and consideration is given to the aquatic environment during the design and build stages.
2. That Thames Water’s most vulnerable customers are protected from inflated charges and to ensure that ‘water poverty’ does not become a reality.
3. That all affected London boroughs are given full support during design and build.
4. That Thames Water seriously consider the current financing regime and fully adopt a fair and balanced costing that doesn’t see its customer’s bear the lion’s share of the expense.
5. That Thames Water guarantees that, once the project is completed, that their customer’s annual water bill will then be reduced accordingly.

The Thames Anglers’ Conservancy fully supports the need for the Thames Tideway Tunnel project to be implemented, however, the need for Thames Water to maintain the regions utility with all aspects of the environment at the very top of the list, must supersede its business concern for maximum profitability, often at the expense of its customers and the environment.

Some of that balances the perception that we're just there to support Thames Water, and over and above the tunnel being an absolute necessity, it also glares at Thames Water for their past negligence, and the potential for future negligence...

Richard Cool
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David Harvey


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PostSubject: Re: Presentation to river Groups on pollution   Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:55 pm

Thanks mate, spot on.

On the point of the aquatic environment, the EA fisheries are heavily involved and do feel confident they are ensuring everything possible will be done, but needs to be stated.
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PostSubject: Re: Presentation to river Groups on pollution   Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:07 pm

To add to Richard's list of points,

6) That the current legislation be amended such that, once the tunnel is complete and operational, discharges to the river via CSOs become illegal once more.
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